Waste of time... (aka. Trademarks)

[Stan Bubrouski]

Hey,

Why is that whenever I've looked in my Inbox this weekend it has been
full of this trademark crap. I've read over some of the messages, but I
think I can speak for many people when I say: just get off it.

Many of the large and small companies who contribute to opensource have
patents, trademarks, etc... but they are used in a way that they are not
a nuisance to developers or users. They have spent time and money to
fund this 'Free Software' we use today and its time some of you
ungrateful pricks realize this and move on.

Fedora Core 1 was just released, and there is plenty to be done before
the next release. And there are plenty of bugs left out there that the
community could help with, so could attention please be refocused to the
issues this list and project were meant to involve?

-sb

[seth vidal]

Post by Stan Bubrouski
Hey,
Why is that whenever I've looked in my Inbox this weekend it has been
full of this trademark crap. I've read over some of the messages, but I
think I can speak for many people when I say: just get off it.

Let me ask this - if you were worried about being sued for Trademark
infringement would you want this ironed out now, or later?

Post by Stan Bubrouski
Many of the large and small companies who contribute to opensource have
patents, trademarks, etc... but they are used in a way that they are not
a nuisance to developers or users. They have spent time and money to
fund this 'Free Software' we use today and its time some of you
ungrateful pricks realize this and move on.

Oh, but what about when I spent my time and no money to develop software
that red hat uses, should they stop being ungrateful pricks and realize
I am owed something? Oh, wait, I'm not owed anything, I chose to release
it under a license which said no one owes me anything.

Post by Stan Bubrouski
Fedora Core 1 was just released, and there is plenty to be done before
the next release. And there are plenty of bugs left out there that the
community could help with, so could attention please be refocused to the
issues this list and project were meant to involve?

Yep, and a lot of us want to make sure we're going to be contributing in
such a way that 1. will make it possible for others not associated with
red hat to use it and 2. won't cause us to be victim of a lawsuit.

-sv

[Stan Bubrouski]

Post by seth vidal
Let me ask this - if you were worried about being sued for Trademark
infringement would you want this ironed out now, or later?

If you're so paranoid then join another project or work it out with RH
personally. They do have lawyers you can talk to.

Post by seth vidal
Oh, but what about when I spent my time and no money to develop software
that red hat uses, should they stop being ungrateful pricks and realize
I am owed something? Oh, wait, I'm not owed anything, I chose to release
it under a license which said no one owes me anything.

Yeah and so did thousands of other people who aren't on this list
whining about trademarks. RH answered your questions, if your not
satisfied take this up with them personally.

Post by seth vidal
Yep, and a lot of us want to make sure we're going to be contributing in
such a way that 1. will make it possible for others not associated with
red hat to use it and 2. won't cause us to be victim of a lawsuit.

You and your cohorts can take this up with RH personally, despite how
you feel, development goes on, and this is the development list, not a
trademark list.

-sb

[seth vidal]

Post by Stan Bubrouski
If you're so paranoid then join another project or work it out with RH
personally. They do have lawyers you can talk to.

I intend to do the latter.

Post by Stan Bubrouski
Yeah and so did thousands of other people who aren't on this list
whining about trademarks. RH answered your questions, if your not
satisfied take this up with them personally.

Whining? When red hat states their position on trademarks is that
whining too? People want greater clarity as the whole fedora project
blurs the issue with regard to trademarks.

Post by Stan Bubrouski
You and your cohorts can take this up with RH personally, despite how
you feel, development goes on, and this is the development list, not a
trademark list.

and 'my cohorts'?
hehe

I'll, no wait, "We'll", do that.

-sv

[Vincent]

Post by seth vidal
Yep, and a lot of us want to make sure we're going to be contributing in
such a way that 1. will make it possible for others not associated with
red hat to use it and 2. won't cause us to be victim of a lawsuit.
-sv

Who has Red Hat sued for anything ever? SCO and...? You're
chasing ppl away from this list, It is ment for developers
not legal issues. It's like going to the back of the grocery
store and asking the butcher where to find toilet bowl cleaner.

[seth vidal]

Post by Vincent
Who has Red Hat sued for anything ever? SCO and...? You're
chasing ppl away from this list, It is ment for developers
not legal issues. It's like going to the back of the grocery
store and asking the butcher where to find toilet bowl cleaner.

Who had caldera ever sued before the sco takeover? They sued microsoft.

-sv